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Post by Celera on Feb 8, 2007 1:33:31 GMT -5
OK, so am I the only one still watching this show now?
Tonight I rewatched the interrogation of Baltar episode.
What I love about this show is that there are no heroes. OK, there are heroes, but they are all deeply flawed and complicated and not sure if they're right, and sometimes they're sure they're wrong but they go ahead anyhow because they don't know what else to do, and they're brave enough to run through a hail of bullets but not brave enough to leave a marriage to someone they know doesn't really love them.
And they all believe what they need to believe to get through the day, even when they know they are believing lies. The only thing that makes the wise ones wise is they sort of know that they are just guessing and that every choice is wrong in some way and right in another.
And that is just how people really are.
And they do little stuff like when Laura is first interrogating Baltar, and she's being the good cop, with that really calm solicitous manner, and she asks him about "the blond woman I saw you with on Caprica before the attack" and Baltar sort of zones out -- really he's listening to the imaginary Six, but she doesn't know that -- and it looks like he's just not paying attention to her. And she has that lighter, and she just gets this really stern look -- for a second -- and flicks the lighter. Like "don't frackin' ignore me." Her whole face changes for just the time it takes to flick a lighter, and then the regular kind and serene face is back.
And the actress who plays Dualla. Amazing. Gaeta -- still has really cute curly hair and .... well also the character has started to get more interesting. Like everyone else, he has done the things that seemed right, or that he wanted to believe were right, and he'll never really be sure. Because anything you believe in turns out to be not what you thought, or hoped, that it was.
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Post by Fechak on Feb 8, 2007 10:14:56 GMT -5
I'm watching it, but scared of this thread now since I don't watch the Sunday episodes, my brother-in-law and I are continuing the SciFi Friday tradition - so I'm a week late now. Oh well.. the interrogation episode was fantastic and in fact one of my favorites of this season.
You are right though, the heroes are just human... that and the story continues to move forward with only minor hiccups here and there. I just hope we've had enough back and forth between Starbuck and Apollo.
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Post by Celera on Feb 8, 2007 11:24:46 GMT -5
I don't watch them on Sunday nights either, if that helps. I rarely watch anything when it is actually being broadcast these days. I'll keep in mind that you aren't seeing them until the next Friday. The thing about Starbuck and Apollo is that people really do that back and forth nonsense. Certainly I've never done that myself -- I'm much too well-adjusted. But I've seen people do it, and -- it makes you crazy to watch in real life too. But Lee. sheesh. First, finally offered the chance to be with Kara, he turns her away because "how does he know she won't do another 180 on him?" Of course she will. That's who she is. So he goes back to his wife - not because he loves her but because she won't hurt him. He treats his wife horribly -- and then says "I need you. You are good for me." bleah. He needs to spend less time in the gym and more time on personal growth. Which is why the comparison with Baltar was so interesting. Both of them do what ever they have to do to survive and minimize their own discomfort, and then work on a world view that makes those decisions ok.
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Post by Celera on Feb 9, 2007 15:43:40 GMT -5
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Post by Nedward on Mar 12, 2007 13:00:36 GMT -5
Ok, as of last night, I'm caught up. And I have this to say: I'm glad she's dead. (Or is she?) I never liked her anyway.
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Post by Emizael on Mar 12, 2007 13:16:37 GMT -5
I tell you, of all the stupid things in the world to do...
The death of a major character ....eh.
The Universe has simple rules, really. Up is usually up, down is usually down, badguys get shot with lazers, *pewpew!* Battlestar Gallactica has a Starbuck. Its part of the dynasty of the show, for crying out loud! And, GOD DAMNIT, for the story to be as simple as ..." she cracked up and killed herself..." No, I don't like that one bit. Sure, that's pretty real. It happens in our world all the time. The stress that these folks find themselves under, no way they could have a normal life while living like they do...but with all the mystical stuff aside...
Jesus. We watch t.v. to escape from the realities of the Real World. We have to expect those characters to be bigger then real life, we expect them to do crazy stupid things, and to shoot badguys with Lazers. We don't expect them to die, not like that.
Then I remembered, in the Original series, something like that kinda happened before, and then, the Super Aliens that Were Like Gods brought the dead person back to life.
So, I shall wait and see.
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Post by Celera on Mar 12, 2007 13:42:57 GMT -5
Me, I don't approve of everything Kara did. I don't probably approve of half of it. But I liked her and her character is interesting and certainly integral to the show.
Is she dead? Are Cylons alive? Is there a god? Or a bunch of them? Was this her special destiny? Or did some force, masquerading perhaps as Leoben and invading her thoughts, convince her to kill herself in order to thwart that special destiny? Is it possible to thwart someone's destiny? Is it still destiny? OK, now my head hurts.
The TV Universe usually follows simple rules, where bad guys get shot and good guys don't. Because apparently good guys have amazing aim and bad guys can't hit the side of a barn with a machine gun. And your car can catch fire if you hit the curb, but also if your car rolls off a cliff and catches fire it's no big deal to crawl out, dust yourself off, and keep running. And kill the bad guy with one shot because you aren't even shaky from rolling off a cliff in your burning car.
But that's the TV universe. That isn't this show, or Six Feet Under, or Hill Street Blues, or St. Elsewhere, or MI-5, or any really good TV drama. Regular TV is like ... popcorn and candy bars. It's good, but you can't live on it.
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Post by Fechak on Mar 12, 2007 21:24:25 GMT -5
I loved that episode, but I'll miss her... I still think she's a cylon hehe
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Post by Celera on Mar 13, 2007 0:29:24 GMT -5
Nah.
At least, I don't think she has been a Cylon up until now. My favorite theory is that the Cylons will have learned how to reincarnate her just like they do with themselves, so she will sort of be a Cylon when we see her again. And we will.
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Post by Emizael on Mar 14, 2007 1:00:52 GMT -5
The one thing that I keep coming back to when thinking of this, cause I can't go back and watch that episode, is that...didn't Apollo see the Raider? Didn't he finally see the damn thing and say " Confirmed!"?
...cause..that would mean that Starbuck wasn't crazy...and that she's probably still alive.
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Post by Fechak on Mar 14, 2007 9:25:15 GMT -5
He said confirmed to seeing Starbuck...
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Post by Celera on Mar 14, 2007 10:49:35 GMT -5
...but she is still alive sort of, and wasn't crazy. She is in that space between life and death that the hybrid talked about. Didn't Leoben (or who ever that was at the end) say something about the space between life and death?
Also, I think she knew this. It was not, in her mind, a suicide.
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Post by Fechak on Mar 26, 2007 9:28:25 GMT -5
Is Bob Dylan God?
wtf just happened?
I'm going to need to watch that again.
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Post by Celera on Mar 26, 2007 10:34:41 GMT -5
I haven't seen the episode yet, but I think that's a reasonable premise anyway.
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Post by Emizael on Mar 27, 2007 10:34:49 GMT -5
Jimi Hendrix.
All Along the Watchtower. Wow. They can't be of the Final Five. Just can't, no way.
Lemme give you some reasons.
Chief. He has a kid, as long as the kid is his. If he has a kid, then the Cylons wouldn't need Hera ( or think they do so badly.) Chief had Visions about the Temple in the Lions' Head Nebula. The Lords of Kabal..sending a vision to a Cylon? Nah, I can't figure that. It doesn't make sense to me.
Colonel Tighe. He's been around a long time. Served with Adama during the first Cylon War. They didn't have human looking Cylons then. That would have to mean that the human looking Cylons are a lot older then the Colonials believe, which in turn would mean that the Colonials didn't make the Cylons. Considering that the Cylons have only had like, 40 years to evolve to thier current state, I don't think Tighe could reasonably be a Cylon, unless..they figured out how to go back in time, or something stupid.
The President's Aide (( I can't remember this one's name, sorry..)) She could be a Cylon, and, well, that's all I have to say about her, but, as little as they have shown her, I dun really care about her that much. She's not had quite as much air-time, and usually what they do show of her, she acting the bitch, so...meh. Airlock her anyways.
Starbucks' Ex-Husband, Boyfriend, Sportsguy...(( what's his name again? )) Anyways, not only was this guy a resistance fighter on New Caprica, but, he's not as physically strong as the other Humaniod Cylons. He's always getting tossed around and beat up...
Now, as far as the music...
Okay, so...when you start hearing music...and the song is a Hendrix cover, you gotta ask yourself, are ya going nuts? The song is unfamiliar, its crazy, yeah! Does that make them a Cylon? Wouldn't there be five of them if they were the final five? Nah. I think this is something else. Maybe, something new.
Anyways...Chant says that we might have to wait a whole year for a new episode.
.....damn.
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